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Fire Test
09-23-2014, 09:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-01-2014, 07:48 AM by jim.)
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Fire Test
Today, the fire was started on the last experiment, for watching 3 independent methods for intervening in fire. The wind was correct/ but the fuel was simply too damp, and after using a little less than a gallon of gas/ and thermite (burns hot) to get it going. Reality proved I must continue waiting, until the fuel source which is brush and leaves finally dries out, with a wind direction and speed that will protect the buildings. Sorry for the delay/ but I do believe, it is necessary. 11/29/14

Having waited this long, it seems necessary to explain a bit regarding the experiment underway. The most interesting element in forest fire environments is the use of hardware cloth as the primary defense against fire. That is a wire screen, with openings that are one half inch by one half inch/ it is then fire proof; but it can melt under extreme conditions. Not being tested, is the elemental step to use either 2 or 3 layers at distance from the first; in case of melt through. The most probable layout is one screen on each side of the transport machine. As to the debris that flows over at height; the primary element of these is the fact extremely little fuel is available to burn, or it would therefore not fly easily, and remain close to the ground. Consequently the real threat of incendiary movement is within the first 6-7 feet off the ground, dependent upon tree height and distance from the fire fence. In lieu of a secondary full screen; partial barriers are erected to test what is coming through the fence screen to potentially ignite what is beyond.
The second experiment is: that plastic waterline is being tested as a cheap sprinkler system, for housing etc. That waterline is a 3/4 100 psi/ with small ground down areas to establish a weak spot for water dispersal/ so as not to depend upon a complete burst of the piping/ flooding one spot. But a controlled sprinkle in more than one area, as independent weakened areas are affected by the heat in different locations/ therefrom retaining water pressures within the pipe for that purpose by controlling the burst. This requires, an outside temperature for the test at above or close too freezing. As to housing, the piping is run inside the attic primarily, in a pattern that allows for gravity draining of the system for cold climates: with one or more heat sensors to open a valve if a fire is detected; thereby fill the piping with water/ and a drain for later use. Secondary to this system is the collection of heat in summer/ for use as hot water. The attic contains millions of btu’s of heat/ and can easily heat water for a wide variety of purposes with a simple pump and containment vessel/ and preferably, solar, or wind power to the pump. It further reduces the air conditioning load, substantially.
The third system under investigation is: two closed system sprinklers for the purpose of fire suppression particularly next to buildings, the use of a simple valve operated by burning a rope into. Opens the valve and turns on the water. One rope lower, one higher separates the sprinkler into now and later. There are limits to the amount of water that can be carried, therefore limits to the water to be used here; the first sprinkler will douse the fire close to the barrier, allowing for a then wet area. When that no longer is sufficient, the second will do the same. What is enough depends upon how long the incendiaries continue.
The fuel is separated from the barrier by 3 feet or so/ because this equipment is not intended to actually stop the fire/ it is intended to stop incendiary processes by which the next portion of whatever is beyond the barrier is ignited by the fire.

What is not going to be tested at this time is a grass line fire barrier. That would look like an upside down V; in 8 foot sections/ made of metal/ that stack one on top of the other. Built upon a carrier frame that tilts. The V line fence, uses a “plow like anchor” to establish a point; from which the fence is first telescoped out. Each section is “accordion like” dropped from the trailer transport. So that they all follow one another, and rapidly move from the transport to the ground. To create a long line of fire impenetrable fence. To accomplish that a suitable fiberglass or chain is required to close the gap between the ground and the fence. So that small deviations in the ground surface do not allow the fire to continue on. Three lines of fence are probable on the same transport/ when one line is done, it trips the next to unload.


The fire test went on schedule today/ the results of which, showing all aspects; will be put on U-tube As “fire fence test” In about one week.

the second test has been delayed, due to rain and miscellaneous causes/ it will be soon, however the fuel which is leaves and branches must dry out; then arrangements made. you may review the posting "test words" at the currently at the top of the first page. there are three listings of the same thing/ don't know how that happened, however at the moment I intend to leave it alone. I do want them to be on the same video, for purposes revealed on "test words"/ as the intent is as much publicity as possible.

THE WIND HAS TURNED LIGHTLY SOUTH/ THE PREPARATIONS ARE MADE/ THE FIRE GOES ON AS SCHEDULED. Assuming the wind does not again turn north.

Fire test coming soon

The fire test goes on today ONLY IF THE WIND TURNS FROM THE NORTH/ currently very gentle/ but the barrier is set up on the north end of the fuel. The wind must blow from the south to the north, or it will not be a true test: go outside and determine if the wind is in fact from the south/ if so the test will occur. If not the test would only fail. Preparations should be done by two O’clock.

The critical purpose of this test is to control the incendiaries from moving through the fence like barrier/ to ignite the materials beyond that barrier. In that regard: this is the primary test/ crucial because in most large fires, the fire fence would not be placed on flammable materials. And its primary purpose would be to stop the incendiaries, from spreading the fire. Not so in grass/ brush/ or crop fires; as the need to deploy would be paramount, and the reality is, that it would, or could be placed on flammable materials to protect property such as homes, business, etc.
There are three experiments going on today with this fire: the first is a test of the fire retardant being used on painters drop cloth/ at approximately double the suggested dose. One on top of the blue or black tarp/ at the fire edge: the other under the tarp. The second defense is a steam generator with distribution spray line; using water to keep the tarp from burning. The third is a metal defense line on the ground, in case the first two defenses fail; asking the question is it worth dealing with a short line of metal erected to stop rolling incendiaries.



THE FIRE FENCE TEST WILL BE: on Sunday October 26, 2014 Fire started at 2:00 pm/ and is expected to burn at intensity for about 20 minutes total. That ASSUMES the wind will be from the south or southwest, and less than 15 miles per hour; to insure no unexpected damage can or will be done. It also assumes the burn materials will be fully dried. The patch of cornfield to be lit on fire is 24 rows wide/ each row 24 feet in length/ with roughly 60 bags of dried leaves placed between the rows for added intensity. The smoke could be heavy/ but I hope not. If for some reason that fails to happen on that day/ the next date will be the following Saturday or Sunday at 2:00 pm. You may check this link for information on the day of the fire/ unless the internet goes down here, which it sometimes does.


Information will arrive as needed.

Test site for
“the fire fence” is just south of where I live. Sometime in October/ dependent upon crop removal. You may attend if you wish, it will be a Saturday or Sunday at 2:00 pm, DEPENDENT upon conditions. No facilities provided.

an invention to mediate brush
crop/ and forest fire
by placing a fire resistant barrier
to stop the fuel source
and contain the incendiaries.

Notice for the day this will happen: a small portion of the standing corn stalks (600 square feet) are to be lit on fire, with the barrier in place: in the path 12 (30in wide rows), standing 7 feet tall/ by 20 feet long equals a total fire size of 4200 cubic feet: of standing corn stalk on fire. With 6 rows left on the back side, of the barrier: to determine whether these can be saved. 6 rows pushed down beneath the barrier/ to see if these can be saved
on this date__________________ (after the field is otherwise harvested)
at approximately this time____2:00 pm sat or sun ____with correct wind for safety. ______________

You may take pictures, or whatever you wish of the event/ no restrictions. Regardless how it goes: but you must accept any and all risk involved (staying out of the way) in any form of participating in this action. The purpose is: to determine the critical realities of whether the invention itself has value.

Of interest is: the waterproof tarps to be used are not suited to substantial fireproofing/ so they may burn. The second layer canvas fire barrier is treated with FX lumber guard XT fire retardant coatings of Texas/ a suitable fireproofing materials.
The pressure vessel placed in front of the barrier in the fire path is a steam kettle, built from an emptied propane canister. Filled with water for producing steam, soon after the fire hits it: a relief valve is installed. That steam then pushes water/ directed to a distribution pipe that goes across the barrier: where the fire will actively work against the banner. The steam/ water combination; is a secondary method of protecting property, and as such is suited to this experiment; since the tarps are likely to burn. What is behind the canvas is not expected to burn.

The primary fire stop is the bottom portion of the barrier, which touches the ground, the horizontal part. As this is where the fuel stops/ so long as the fire resistant materials do not fail. Therefore where the fire is stopped, is at the front edge of this horizontal layer. The heat extends/ but the primary purpose of the vertical rise curtain is to stop incendiaries from proceeding on to ignite what is behind the barrier.

The machinery which holds it in place makes possible the extension of a “train of units which extends from 20, in trailing mode to sixty feet in set up banner mode. The wheel units are allowed by construction to go over 2 ft or larger boulders/ stumps/ etc; so as to navigate rough terrain. The primary design with some changes to come is the end unit.
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